Tape 5, Side 2, through Tape 6, Side 2. In the fourth interview session, conducted on July 31, 1985, Bogle discusses her involvement with the Portland Chapter of the NAACP beginning in the 1930s, and talks about members of the group, including Ruth Haefner, Charles Maxey, and Otto Rutherford. She also discusses conflict between the NAACP and the Urban League of Portland. She shares her experience learning to drive as an adult, against the wishes of her husband.