In the fourth and final interview session, conducted on September 22, 2002, Sepenuk revisits the topic of judges that he argued before, including Helen Frye, Owen Panner, and Malcolm Marsh. He also talks about some of the cases he worked on. He then talks about his activities since the previous session, recorded a decade earlier, including his work as a volunteer lawyer in post-Communist countries, trying a case at The Hague, and cases he worked on in Oregon. He also revisits the topic of sentencing guidelines. He closes the interview by talking about his plans for the future.