Tape 7, Side 1, through Tape 9, Side 1. In the fourth and final interview session, conducted on June 21, 2010, Richins discusses the benefits of unionization, and talks about the decline in union membership in the decades prior to the interview. He describes grievances he filed on behalf of Local 1594 members, talks about their outcomes, and discusses the work of ATU Local 757 General Counsel Susan L. Stoner. He discusses how Ron Heintzman and Mel Schoppert influenced him. He talks about ATU International elections, about contract negotiations, and about the daily routine of a typical bus driver. He speaks extensively about his personal journey from being raised in the Pentecostal church to becoming something similar to a Theist.