Tape 3, Side 2, through Tape 5, Side 2. In the second interview session, conducted on January 25, 1999, Williams continues to discuss opposition he faced in his campaign to protect the Columbia River Gorge, particularly from Nancy Russell and the Friends of the Columbia Gorge. He talks about the exclusion of Native people from discussions around the future of the Gorge. He speaks further about the limitations of the Gorge’s National Scenic Area designation. He speaks about the role of the Oregon and Washington congressional delegations in the passage of legislation to protect the Gorge, particularly the involvement of Bob Packwood. He talks about Native views on fishing, and the history of Native opposition to dams on the Columbia River. He also discusses his activities during the 1990s, including running his gallery in The Dalles, working with the Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission, and co-founding the Salmon Corps, an AmeriCorps salmon restoration program for Native youth.