Partway through Tape 3, Side 2, to partway through Tape 4, Side 1. In the fourth interview session, conducted on March 26, 2018, Dale discusses revisiting Ashland as an adult. She talks about a 1995 SEIU Local 503 strike over proposed changes to PERS. She shares her experiences dealing with managers while organizing workers. She compares her experiences working with unions in the United States and Europe in her role as director of the UNI Global Union's Property Services Sector in Geneva, Switzerland. She talks about SEIU’s decision to leave the AFL-CIO in the early 2000s, and the creation of a new union federation known as Change to Win.