In the fourth interview session, conducted on August 17, 1994, Ryles further discusses his thoughts about economic and social factors behind the increase in homelessness, his work as a member of the Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce to provide social services to to people experiencing homelessness in Portland, and his involvement with Mayor Bud Clark’s plan to address homelessness. He reflects on the accomplishments of the Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce during the 1980s. He speaks about working with people on the Portland Development Commission and the Housing Authority to develop transitional and low income housing in downtown Portland. He talks about working to establish community mental health services, and about raising money for the Homeless Action Fund.