In the fifth interview session, conducted on June 15, 1999, Sheets continues to talk about serving as the first executive director of the NWPPC, about the first members of the NWPPC, and about the first NWPPC meetings. He discusses the first plans and recommendations produced by the council regarding salmon population loss mitigation at hydro-electric dams, power production, and energy conservation. He talks about the council’s relationship with the BPA and other electric utilities in the Pacific Northwest, about its relationship with federal agencies, and about its relationship with the public. He speaks about opposition to the council’s recommendations, including lawsuits.