In the fourth interview session, conducted on August 30, 1991, McGill continues discussing her travels around Europe after her retirement in 1973, including a purse snatching incident in Italy that landed her in the hospital for three months and her journey back to Oregon in 1974 to 1975. She then talks about how Portland changed during her time abroad. She discusses her involvement with the Portland Art Museum, the Northwest Pilot Project, and the Multnomah County Library. She then speaks about her political beliefs, particularly her opposition to Reaganism in regards to taxes, mental health care, and education. She also speaks about her opposition to cultural diversity. She talks about her association with the family of John Reed.